Duck boat tours in Duluth

Does anyone think army duck-boat tours would make it in Duluth?. They can go on land and water. It’s a big success in Wisconsin Dells, Chicago, Boston and other cities. I’m looking for opinions and possible investors.

35 Comments

Rij

about 13 years ago

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but NOTHING about Wis. Dells appeals to me and I don't think Duluth should try to replicate anything they have. Remember a few years back when some developer wanted to build a waterpark on the bayfront site?  Imagine if that had panned out.  Would have looked worse than the aquarium.  I know it's not a fair comparison, but I'd rather not see duck boats floating around in the harbor either.

Lesterlynn

about 13 years ago

San Francisco has them, too.  They're fun.

duluth14

about 13 years ago

So nothing appeals to you about Wis. Dells, Rjj, but that doesn't make it true for everyone. Why not have the duck boats? Tourism is the top industry we have in Duluth now, and I think a lot of people really enjoy the tours that they have in the Dells and Boston. The duck boats could tour through Downtown and point out significant buildings, tour the harbor and would bring in more revenue for the city. What's the problem besides your own personal dislike for Wisconsin Dells?

vicarious

about 13 years ago

I think it's a great business idea, locally, completely dependent upon specific logistics. Would you be allowed to "drive" onto the beach from the water? What are the local regs? It would be best to be based in the Duluth marina; how to attract customers vs. what is the overhead vs....

Other than fishing charters and Vista boats, there are no local boat charters. So, there might be a market.

cbissener

about 13 years ago

That sounds very unappealing in my opinion. It may be something that works well in the Dells, but I don't see it being very practical in Duluth. You would have to have a very specific entry to the water with all of the rocks. We already get more than enough traffic downtown and in Canal in the summer, why clog it up more with those ugly things?

Bayfieldwis

about 13 years ago

Duluth is very nice just the way it is right now. Ducks can stay in the Dells. Why not a few waterslides and mini golf parks too? Add a Go Kart track and a hotel with a water ski show. Why stop in the quest of tourist dollars?
Frankly I agree with the others. You can trash
the charactor of Duluth. It's very nice without these things. You could rent Waverunners and put in some bumper cars as well.

n8duhgr8

about 13 years ago

It would be kinda rough some times if you are planning on duckin up Superior, waves get pretty big out there. At the Dells they are on calm waters, might be a bit of a splash factor and a bumpy ride on a big lake.

vicarious

about 13 years ago

I don't know how a new, possibly cool, possibly successful local water tour option equates to a Dells Nightmare Tourist Scenario.

in.dog.neato

about 13 years ago

Vicarious makes a really interesting point. If you've only got 1 to 3 feet of freeboard (the distance from the water to the deck, or gunwales), it wouldn't take much for one to get swamped, even in the bay.

And we all know that it doesn't take much for the Lake to get its hackles up.

edgeways

about 13 years ago

Traffic in downtown and Canal Park and Park Point is already pretty bad during summer without this addition (how bad do they smell and how loud are they?), and yeah looking at say here, I think everyone on board is going to get wet (and cold) on the lake proper. Might work better on the bay side but then you need someplace interesting to drive trough to make the duck part viable and I'd rather those things not drive trough... well personally I can't think of anywhere around I'd want to encounter them tbh.

I think smaller, say sailboat, cruises may have an entry market.

greg cougar conley

about 13 years ago

Chicago has those duck boat tours, and it's pretty cool (a little more comparable to Duluth than the Dells, considering it's more industrial and on a big lake, etc.). I don't think the duck boats driving around would be any more obtrusive than those fucking stretch Humvees and monster trucks that are driving around downtown and the canal all the time, but that's just me. Having seen Duluth's tourism industry pretty much since it's inception, I'd say stuff like duckboats that appeals to tourists are kind of a neccesity at this point. It's not like we have any lack of access to that lake in other places besides the harbor, so why is it such a big deal? You can drive 10 minutes out of the port on the north or south shore and be on a pristine beach with none of the aforementioned perils of tourism to deter you. I may make a duck boat my daily commuter vehicle.

Nobody

about 13 years ago

These things cruise all over DC in the summer.  Duluth traffic is not any worse that than downtown DC traffic so I can't imagine that being a limiting factor.

Catching a ride in the Potomac is a little different than a spin on the big lake, though.

Pics/info on the DC boats are at dcducks.com.

According to Wikipedia, these things have gas engines so they shouldn't smell/sound any worse than all the other trucks driving around town.

eameslounger

about 13 years ago

I don't believe the author of this post was suggesting he'd adopt the same business model as the Dells.  Besides, it would be impossible anyway, the topography of Duluth is too different.

That being said, I think it would be a great idea.  From a business standpoint duck boats are easier to maintain, fuel and license than conventional vessels.  Also, depending on passenger load, you could save money by not hiring a deckhand and the operator could also act as tour guide.  There is no dock space to rent and you could run it like a trolley service.  Charging a flat rate for a 'once around' or a day rate that would allow passengers to get off and explore and then hop back on at designated pick up spots to finish the tour.  Maybe do a Voyageur theme? 

As for rough seas, in my experience the bay is fairly forgiving in wind up to 30kts especially because prevailing winds are generally in your favor during the summer.  Besides, a smart captain wouldn't take a boat that small out in gales anyway.  I guess my point is that there are far more beautiful days for boating then not in the summer so I don't think it would affect your business too much.  

Make it happen!

Shane

about 13 years ago

I have a question. Where would the ducks actually enter the water? There currently are not any boat launches near the touristy places in Duluth. The Vista fleet already provides harbor tours. Why add something else?

BadCat!

about 13 years ago

The end of Park Point has water entry, but it'd be a nightmare to get to in the summer.

[email protected]

about 13 years ago

Sigh. More Duluthians resenting the economic force that keeps us from becoming Bemudji.

I love this Idea,  and because it would pull people from Canal Park into Downtown, I'd bet the Downtown Council will love it, too.

eameslounger

about 13 years ago

Perhaps they enter somewhere that doesn't exist yet.  Like the old LaFarge cement dock?

Barrett Chase

about 13 years ago

You'll want to read through this previous post to avoid similar offenses: I Hate Those Family Rental Bikes

Rae

about 13 years ago

I'm assuming there is a boat launch somewhere down Park Point.  Just because you board the duck in Canal Park, doesn't mean you have to launch there.  (Isn't the little ship shop for sale by Grandmas?)  

I think a tour of the bay explaining the shipping industry, getting an up close look at the lakers/salties, boating through the lift bridge (which tourists love), and a drive through Canal Park and Downtown would be interesting.   However, the success of duck boats depends 100% on the tour guide.  Blah tour guides will kill your business faster than an overpriced aquarium ticket.

DrEarl

about 13 years ago

When I first read this, I thought that in no way would this work.  After thinking on it for 10 minutes this is actually a viable idea.  There is public water access (with real boat ramps) on both Superior and St. Louis bays.  If you (1) pick up in downtown somewhere, (2) drive down the point and put in, (3) putter under the lift bridge and see some ships, and (4) get out on Garfield Ave heading back to home base, that would actually be a decent tour.  

I'm so intrigued I would like to talk about this more.

emmadogs

about 13 years ago

If DrEarl's plan could work, then this would actually be a great idea.

Conrad

about 13 years ago

I love Duluth's gut reaction to most things new: "Not in my city!"

Duck boats would do very little to ruin your day, people. 

I think there could be a market.  Duluth is so stretched out that success of the business would depend on a route that was carefully planned and reevaluated.  But being stretched out does help a good route because you could do a lot of things Harbor, Hill, Nature, Industrial. Lots to do to make a good arc.  

I think it has legs.

wildgoose

about 13 years ago

I don't have an aesthetic problem with this proposal and I do welcome new thinking about business in Duluth.  I also like to hear about guided tours in Downtown.  This is something that has been missing from the scene and if I knew as much as say, Tony D, I have often thought about offering walking tours of Old Downtown myself.  Duck Tours would possibly be great, too. 

Barrett is only partially right about the Wheel Fun critiques.  These boats will need professional drivers with at least a commercial drivers license and probably a commercial marine license of some sort, too.  That should minimize yahoos.  Make no mistake, they will still p. people off, that's Duluth, but I don't think it will be the same kind of annoyed as you have with Wheel Fun.   

The other business example that I would forward is the scooter guy who had a rental operation in 2004 and quickly lost a lot of money despite a great deal of interest in his service. (That was the same year that 3 other new businesses launched in the general vicinity and the only one still operating is Wheel Fun.)  Scooter Guy used to come and visit me at Speedy Wienie and I got to know him pretty well at the time although we lost touch and I don't even remember his name anymore.  If you want to write a successful business plan then you would want to track that guy down and talk to him about what happened. To hear him tell it, powerful business interests harassed him and undercut him on prices, etc.  I don't know if that is true or not, but I do know that I felt a certain amount of pressure to stay away from certain "turf" and I was told that you need to be in with the Canal Park Business Association if you want to make it in that part of Duluth.  This was a few years back and things have certainly changed since then, I don't know how much though.  

Then again, there's always the St. Louis River or Superior.  And St. Louis River minimizes a bit of that "Don't swamp the duck boat" factor.  As the river is smoother, shallower and a bit warmer if you do dump one.  

Finally, I don't know a huge amount about the vehicles themselves but I would want to know more about their fuel and efficiency.  Gas goes up in the summer months, right when your peak business season is.  I'm not being discouraging, just want to sharpen the idea a bit.  In fact, buy me a coffee sometime and I would gladly sit down and share some thoughts from my own (failed) business experiences with you.

Barrett Chase

about 13 years ago

To clarify, I wasn't saying Duck Boats = Family Bikes. I meant that that thread gives a pretty good idea of what ticks people off about tourist attractions (inconvenience, slowing traffic, oblivious drivers, etc.), and that these things should be taken into account in the planning stages of any new venture if you want to sell the idea to the general year-round citizenry.

Andrew Olson

about 13 years ago

I love how the first reactions usually are people freaking out and being negative. My favorite post on here was someone complaining about an old woman giving their kid candy.

That said, I like the idea of Duck tours. The Saint Louis River would be a great place to go and the harbor. It would also be fun to storm the beaches of Park Point! Maybe even run over some hipster biker sipping his growler and scowling.

Has anyone else seen Revenge of the Nerds 2? Great duck scene.

Jake

about 13 years ago

Them's expensive.  Anyone looking to start one would need at least half a mil to get a couple boats going.  I'm all for it though only if they rent them out for private parties.

And Andrew, running over anyone is just rude.  Also, please link to posts you reference.

emmadogs

about 13 years ago

Not to threadjack, but Wildgoose, your idea of a walking tour of Old Downtown is terrific.

Paul Lundgren

about 13 years ago

[img]http://www.perfectduluthday.com/wp-content/uploads/comments/SheldonAubut.gif[/img]

In the late 1990s, Sheldon Aubut ran a Saturday-morning "Two-bit Tour of Old Duluth." He played the role of Dr. Thomas Preston Foster, publisher of the city's first newspaper.

Jake

about 13 years ago

What ever happened to Sheldon?

emmadogs

about 13 years ago

Paul, thank you for posting the Tour of Old Duluth. It's so interesting! I wish I had known this was going on back in the '90s.

wildgoose

about 13 years ago

I did know about Sheldon's tours and that is part of where the idea came from.  The other was an experience at the Greenwich Observatory in London about ten years ago.  I paid about 10 bucks for one of the most enjoyable and informative strolls of my life and at the end I would've paid three times that for the value that I got.  There is just so much that I would've missed had I not had the wonderful guide. But the informed guide part is critical.

Shane

about 13 years ago

Wildegoose, who was the Scooter guy? Was that the guy who rented Segways in a shack/shed/stand in the corner of the Waterfront Suites lot right next to the Green Mill?

wildgoose

about 13 years ago

I'm pretty sure it was a different guy. This guy rented scooters and was based at the steam plant.  This is about 8 years ago.

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