Completely hypothetical question about drinking on the beach

July 4th weekend, two couples are sitting at the beach around mid afternoon watching their kids play in the sand.  They are at the “s” curve beach at Park Point, approx 100 yards to the right of the sidewalk.  They are talking quietly, drinking a few beers from cans.  Each open beer is wrapped in a can “coolie” or whatever you call them.  Each beer can is immediately put back in the small cooler when emptied. 

What are the chances that a community officer (or whoever patrols the beaches) will come up and hassle them?

37 Comments

rnarum

about 14 years ago

Odds are bad for the hypothetical couple. 

I give 9.5:10

Danny G

about 14 years ago

Solution: Wisconsin Point.

RS

about 14 years ago

SHHHH DannyG!!  Don't give it away, it's nice to go to WP and not have anyone around!

Andrew Slade

about 14 years ago

We live here near the beach, and we see (and hear) FAR WORSE than your scenario, and the beach patrol (if it even exists) never stops them. The Duluth PD sends a four-wheeler down the beach two or three times a week, that's about it for enforcement.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

I would say the enforcement is more frequent than Mr. Slade indicates, but maybe it's just more frequent around the Public Beach House and not so much at the Kiddie Beach and the residential area. 

The main thing is, if you're casually having a beer, it's pretty easy to see the four-wheeler coming your way and be extra discreet for 30 seconds.

Now to go off on a tangent: After using the phrase "Kiddie Beach" to describe that first beach at the S curve, it occurs to me that I have no idea if that's a term other people use or if it's something my friends coined many years ago because there always seemed to be a lot of families at that beach. To me, it will always be the "Kiddie Beach," but I doubt there is any official designation as such.

Sara

about 14 years ago

Isn't the "s-curve" beach called Tot Lot? Sounds like a kiddie beach to me.

Danny G

about 14 years ago

Solution 2: Learn to the joy of drinking beer through a straw.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

Ah-ha! My Kiddie Beach theory is substantiated! Yes, I believe there is a sign there that reads "Tot Lot."

Shane

about 14 years ago

I think it also depends upon which park point resident's house you are in front of while on the beach. Some of the residents are bothered more by the activities of casual beachgoers than others. Some of the houses are also closer to the beach than others.

Pick a spot where it is not as likely for someone to see you from their living room and you might stand a better chance. If my recollection is correct there used to be, or still is a playground across the s-curve called the "Tot Lot," which is how the kiddie beach got it's name.

chadp

about 14 years ago

The "Tot-Lot" sign is across the street in front of the playground.  I always refer to the beach there as such but I am not from here.  I mostly drive to the end of the road, cross on the last boardwalk and then head a hundred yards further down.  I have never seen a beach patrol out there.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

I have seen the beach patrol ride all the way down to the end of the point on numerous occasions. I'm not sure if he's being diligent and trying to make sure even the random hippies and nudists at the remote edge of the beach are behaving or if he's just on a joy ride. I know I'd take the joy ride if I were him.

Rae

about 14 years ago

I didn't even know there was a Beach Patrol.

So, I think your chances are pretty good - if you are doing what you say you are doing. Hypothetically.

cohohobo

about 14 years ago

Chances of getting a officer called down to the beach are very great if a ppoint resident sees that illegal activity.

Plus that 10 o'clock bedtime rule is enforced on even the nicest, warmest summer evenings. You'll get your name written down on a pad of paper.

Gotta stay off those people's beaches.

funkenschutz

about 14 years ago

One word: Nalg-Cocks.

Barrett Chase

about 14 years ago

I've also heard the kiddie beach/Tot Lot referred to as the mom beach. I tend to think of it as the diaper-water beach.

As for your problem, there is the following possible solution:

Lucie

about 14 years ago

Duluth doesn't have the resources to do beach patrols.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

The Duluth Police Dept. acquired three all-terrain vehicles in 2007 -- one was donated by RJ's Sport & Cycle, the other two, and a trailer were purchased with $10,000 of city money.

The primary purpose of the ATVs is to crackdown on illegal ATV and motorized dirt bike use on city trails, but patrolling the beaches of Minnesota Point is also one of the uses.

So, the DPD does have the resources, and I assure you those beaches are patrolled. Granted, that patrolling might be infrequent, but it absolutely happens.

ruby2sd4y

about 14 years ago

I was looking this up last night as I meant to look when I was there taking photos yesterday, and totally spaced it. Doh! *forehead slap*

From the city site the park is the Franklin Park Tot Lot, but for some reason the 'beach' wasn't listed (even though there's a City of Duluth Public Beaches sign right at the walkway), however, I did find this:
Franklin Park Beach

The park is on 12th, the Beach 13th - even though we all call it the S Curve and that's where South Lake Avenue and Minnesota Avenue intersect/change over.

shiny_simon

about 14 years ago

It sounds like I am pretty safe.  I am not talking about a raucous party, just very low key hangin out with the kids type thing.  We bought a small house not far from that beach last fall, so that's why I am particular to that beach.  Sounds like I may have a few neighbors sounding in here.  I am hoping to meet more of the neighbors once the weather gets a little nicer.  Thanks for all the replies!

Shane

about 14 years ago

Another completely hypothetical question.  What are the consequences if you get caught with alcohol in a city park?  What is the worst that can happen?

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago





A couple hundred bucks in fines, I'm guessing. If your hooch is in a glass container you'll get fined for that, in addition to the public consumption fine.

Again, though, if you're discreet you won't be bothered, and if you get caught and are nice to the officer you'll probably only get one of the two fines.

TimK

about 14 years ago

Or you could wait till you are off the public beach. Going out for a beer AFTER a day at the beach is icing on the cake IMHO.

adam

about 14 years ago

Rocked it on the beach nearly every day last July and August. No patrols. No problems. A little discretion, along with pack in/pack out, goes a long way.

Chloe

about 14 years ago

As a Park Point resident who practically lives on the beach in the summer swimming, kayaking and hanging with my kids, I can assure you sipping a beer quietly neither bothers residents or is likely to get reported or get you caught by the so-called beach patrol. I saw the police beach patrollers maybe 2, maybe 3 times during the entire past summer, which was long and hot and busy. The police are so short staffed, they hardly ever patrol nor do they stop people and write tickets, as people suggest. Especially if you stay a little away from the main beach entry spots. They might have years ago...but not now. The beach house at the end of Park Point might be a different story and I can't speak for what typically happens at that public venue.

And let's stop "hating" on Park Point residents. As someone who lives just a few blocks from the lift bridge, we have constant traffic on the beach and we are always friendly....unless it involves repeated fireworks or screeching at 3am on a Tuesday -- and that would bug anyone in their backyard. You know who picks up all the dirty diapers, empty pop cans, and broken beer bottles left after the parties and masses visit on hot days? The residents. There is no means by which the city monitors beach garbage or even provides for garbage cans at most entry points, so I dug Adam's pack it in/pack it out comment. PP residents are not your enemy.

Claire

about 14 years ago

I've done my share of imbibing on Park Point beaches -- like Adam says, be discreet and don't leave your trash behind. We'd also pour our liquid refreshment into plastic cups, just to be safe.

adam

about 14 years ago

No glass. And if you're going at night, FRI and SAT are the most likely for patrols (it's not a good idea to hold a banjo bonfire jamboree Friday night of Bluesfest, for example). If you're not jibbering and yellin' at top volume, no one is usually the wiser.

Of course, if you're starting a fire on the beach at 3am, you're probably already jibbering and yellin'.

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

I'm not sure if this thread is dead or not but I was gonna comment the other day and then I didn't for some reason. 

I was stopped on the beach many many many times in my youth but I was always being real loud and annoying and usually there was a fire and some other form of debauchery in play.  The neighbors were the ones to call it in.  I'm sure.  We just thought they were all @-holes at the time but naturally most Park Pointers are great people and they were just tired of the noise and the mess.  Our favorite spot was the old school where there is now a McMansion.  We were so mad they built that house there ... like the people did it just to mess with us.  Truly, Park point residents get a real bad rap when in fact I can think of about a down totally awesome people who live there.  

Anyway, I have personally been busted many times but all I ever got was the booze confiscated and once or twice a parking ticket.  If you are discrete and it is one or two beers no prob I say.  In fact one time I was there and the patrol came by some 30-40 somethings having a good time (and drinking) and the officers were good natured enough to pose for pictures with the people on their 4-wheeler.  True story.  

But for me, if I'm there with my kids and we do go down maybe 15 times a year, I get uncomfortable if it is during the day and a group is there with a cooler and a case of beer (especially if it's miller lite or something) and they are obviously having a parrty, (as Jared Allen would say).  Most of the time people are nice and will even offer you a drink but it's not something my kids are used to and I think that is taking it too far.  (I know I know I just admitted to taking it too far for a decade in my youth ... hypocrite, I'll say it for you.)   If you really want to party, got to Pike Lake or something.  Visiting the (stolen from Ojibwe) Wisconsin Point can be nice for that, too.

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

*dozen totally awesome people who live there.

shiny_simon

about 14 years ago

Oh sorry man, I wish you would have posted the other day.  I already spent all day digging up my old twisted sister and white snake albums, and just put 16 brand new "d" size batteries in my huge ass boombox with dual cassette player.  Me and my buddies, all 40 yrs++, are gonna take over the beaches this summer.  Sorry bud, it's as good as done.  

Hey just giving you a hard time.  Like you, I went through a decade of debauchery. It was called the 1980's. (I graduated in '85) So I am an old guy.  I promise not to do anything that will make you or your kids uncomfortable.

shiny_simon

about 14 years ago

And I promise I will NEVER drink a Miller Light.

Danny G

about 14 years ago

Hmmm.  I wonder if huffing is cool, though.

Wes Scott

about 14 years ago

You can do anything in life with common sense if you're not stepping on people's toes or rubbing their noses in it. I could care less if somebody was drinking on my lake front until they started leaving their trash and making noise at 3am.

We had fireworks on the shoreline near Bayfield and now they are banned because they left the junk all over the beach.

msweet

about 14 years ago

Whitesnake ... 80s music, the jean jackets, the hair ... I'm glad I didn't live through that in my  prime ... northstars and 80s cartoons especially on Saturday and wrestling were maybe the only good thing to come from the 80s and of course the 1980 USA hockey team.

Miles A Broad

about 14 years ago

Dirty Diapers?  Aren't those illegal by now? Who are these people?  And why don't they use cotton diapers? They're reusable, you don't have to blow all your food stamps on plastic crap packages, easier on baby, easier all around.  I guess if you're the kind of person who leaves shit lying around for other people to handle, you've got bigger problems than littering on the beach will remedy. The north shore beaches are even safer and cleaner.  I sometimes make a point to imbibe there, no patrols. And often bring a bag to haul out trash because it makes me feel good to clean up after them who are generally too nancy to go there this time of year anyway, leaving October-May, dirtbag free.

Wes Scott

about 14 years ago

Dirt bag free...

The gas prices will cure that a bit this year. $4 a gallon by Memorial Day Weekend.

Bill Meier

about 14 years ago

Sorry to use this thread, but it seems well used.  I'm in Vietnam and my e-mail and Facebook are shut down.  Please tell anybody that cares I am doing great and only suffer from a bad case of to much sun.  Lumpy or Lefty please Facebook my Mom and tell her the same.

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

... well, the saddest thing about my 80s experiences on Park Point is that I never hung got wasted on the beach with 'Ol Billy Meier.  At least I don't think I ever did.  

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16 D batteries, heh.  Reminds me that last week I saw a 1980's vintage dad walking along Superior St with 2 kids and a HUGE "ghetto blaster" as we used to call them (without any irony, we were all pre-PC then).  If I had been a slight bit quicker on the snapshot I would've sent it in for a banner.  

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Glad you are doing well, Billy.  Maybe we should start a new Billy in Vietnam thread on PDD that those Godless Commies aren't likely to shut down like FB or Gmail.  Of course now that we've got a 1,000 members I guess we're right on the heels of Facebook ...

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