Merging on I-35 — Please Stop the Madness

Yesterday I was cruising along the highway at 60-odd miles per hour when another car came speeding down a ramp and almost was on top of me. I thought about changing lanes but there was a car coming up in the left lane.

I watched the situation develop, waiting to see if Captain Clueless on the ramp was going to slow down — or speed up enough to “beat” me — but there was no adjustment. With a car length or two between us I hit the breaks and the horn hoping to avert catastrophe. No one hurt, thank God. But I’m tired of people merging into traffic expecting me to change lanes to suit them.

One of the worst things about this experience is that there was half a mile of empty lane behind me. Why do people think merging means the other car changing lanes or changing speed so they can pull up ahead of traffic? It’s not a contest, and it is certainly not a game of chicken. Save that for the high school drag scene down on Garfield Avenue after 10 on warm summer nights.

Traffic Merging on 27th Ave W

It’s rampant, 10 minutes later I stopped at 27th Avenue West to try to capture the phenomenon, which took me about one minute. This was my second picture. (above)

People all around the world manage to merge in and out of traffic with skill, attention to reality and appropriate courtesy. Only here in Duluth, MN do we have a rampant expectation that flowing traffic on an interstate freeway should somehow change lanes or yield to whatever bozo wants to share the road with us! It’s like Minnesota nice run amok. This false courtesy has softened people’s brains. Unfortunately, this time it almost softened my brain, on the frozen pavement outside, that is.

46 Comments

Sam

about 14 years ago

Amen!  This has happened to me in Duluth.  Also, if Duluthians would use their turn signals once in a while, that would help too.

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

In the picture above we see two cars merging into traffic with no problems.  But behind those two cars is a third that is giving a whole 1.5 car length behind the car ahead of it on the ramp.  Meanwhile, there are three more cars barreling down the freeway in the right lane and most importantly (perhaps) two more in the left lane.  So where does Speedy Gon-clueless there think she/he's gonna wedge himself/herself in at that trajectory and speed?  The only solution is to slow way the heck down or for the vehicles in traffic to attempt an adjustment to accommodate Speedy there.  You get the point?

Timk

about 14 years ago

I've experienced the same in most of the 35ish states that I've driven. The worst drivers, IMO are in Kentucky. Duluth ranks in the middle.

Need

about 14 years ago

Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if you were going the speed limit, which is 50-odd miles per hour.

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

Thanks Need.  I was south of Duluth where the speed limit is 70 MPH. Regardless, the merging traffic has the responsibility to yield even if someone is going 90 MPH.

Wes Scott

about 14 years ago

Folks seem to wait until the last possible minute to make decisions when driving. Merge left, no need to do that until the road runs out they think?? Folks do come off a ramp and just assume it's going to be clear? Or somebody will move for them? I think it's worse when they have a huge SUV. Try driving with a little Honda. Your road meat........

Really Bored

about 14 years ago

Maybe we could bitch about something dumber.  Pay attention to your own driving and don't assume other drivers will do what you want.  Or, you can get so upset that there are inattentive drivers, that you pull off the road, take a picture that in no way demonstrates your point, post it and wait for the rest of the world to agree with you and claim that they are also the only drivers paying attention on the road.  And, if something doesn't go your way, you can ease your mind with the fact that at least one Viking turned out to be successful after playing football.  I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

zra

about 14 years ago

Could be worse. we could be in the Cities. I've noticed the propensity there for merging into traffic while doing the same speed as surface street traffic, and most folk don't move over when encountering merging traffic. I think it might actually have more to do with the metered/timed on ramps than anything else. The distance between the light (while you're at a full stop waiting for it to turn green) and the merge lane isn't conducive to an adequate highway merging speed.

I'd actually wager that if drivers were required to retake the written test when they go to renew their licenses, a fair percentage would fail.

If you want to bitch about something dumber, R.B., perhaps the redundant and incessant whining on the DCB would be more to your liking.

David

about 14 years ago

This seems neither a particularly Duluthian issue nor a particularly substantial one.

MK Bates

about 14 years ago

Contrary to some who have already posted, I too think this is a serious and increasing problem. It is the responsibility of the merging car (the one on the on-ramp) to yield to the cars already traveling at highway speed. If you have to come to a complete stop because there is no spot for you, too bad.

That said, everyone should practice defensive driving; too many people think the best defense is a good offense.

B-man

about 14 years ago

Every municipality is in need of extra revenue, but no one is sending out extra police officers to give tickets to people who are choosing to donate their money if ticketed.  1 officer near a busy on ramp each morning would = hundreds of dollars in revenue each day.  

I asked the police to please come and give tickets to people driving down a closed road last summer (the fine for going around / through a barricade to a closed road with construction workers on it is like $150)  and I could count 30-40 people per hour breaking that law.  that equals $4500-$6000 in one hour!

I see the wasted opportunity for revenue everyday on my way to work, meanwhile the police are busy chasing drunk losers around town dealing with their odd behavior
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/191002/

I say increase enforcement of the laws already written, once work is out that 500 people have got a ticket for not merging correctly things will change.

spy1

about 14 years ago

Go with Smokey Bear's logic. Only you can prevent car accidents.

Sparky

about 14 years ago

If you can merge for oncoming cars, I think you should, if you can't, the merging car should wait.  That is what the word "yield" means.  However, Duluth drivers almost never merge for other drivers even if the other lane is completely empty.  I think we have the least courteous drivers in the US.  The ramp at 27th Ave is terrible as neither car can see the other until you are on top of each other.  Very poor design.

Really Bored

about 14 years ago

Hmmmmm, yes, I must be a right wing nut job, because I disagree with a post on Perfect Duluth Day.  I'm sorry I wasn't lovey dovey enough for you zra.

hunter

about 14 years ago

I love how politics gets dragged into this it wouldn't be a pdd post without it you right wing nut job ;)

ian

about 14 years ago

Left enterance at bottom of hill on 35 going North is the worst IMO.

Getting stuck behind a driver merging at 35mph into fast lane traffic is scary shit.  I will sit and wait to turn onto the ramp (pissing people off) until the car ahead of me is at least half way up the ramp now.  I can't believe there aren't more accidents there, scares me way more than all of the 494/694 ramps.

RS

about 14 years ago

Driving 60+ miles (round trip) daily for work and back, through the thick of it all, I see it too.  If I can move over to let the car on the freeway, I do so.  If not, then I stay put.  I don't slam on my brakes or romp on my gas to "beat" them, they have the yield sign they need to learn to yield and I generally stay put.  I'm not out there barreling down the freeway at Mach 90, I tend to stick really close to the speed limits in perfect conditions, slower when weather dictates.  Sure, I could go faster, I'm not scared, but I don't want to because frankly those "coupons" they give out for going faster are not my idea of a good time.  

Another big one is traffic heading twards I35S from Canal vs traffic from Lake Ave to I35S.  Lake ave traffic has a yield sign, Canal traffic does not.  Lake traffic has room to stop and yield without blocking traffic should the lights change, Canal traffic would be held up in the middle of the intersection if they yielded.  At yet at least once a week some twerp coming from Lake Ave forgets how to read and barrels through failing to yield and almost smacking into someone (sometimes it's me, sometimes its the car in front of me).  

Lastly, try merging onto I35N from the Scanlon ramp.  That sucker's wound as tight as the Park Point "S" curve!  My car gets up and goes just fine, depositing me in traffic at an acceptable speed, but Granny No-Go seems to think it's perfectly OK to merge on at about 40 MPH and nearly finding herself in the St Louis.

Not complaining, just venting the steam off.  While we're at it, should we start talking about the twerps doing Mach 90 in the left lane?  Pretty sure it's not necissary to go quite that fast, as you are not allowing the rest of us to "pass and get over."

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

RS - My near death experience was right there at the 35 N ramp in Scanlon.  Happens all the time there but that time it was really close.  

Really Bored, is that you honey?  My wife said the same exact same thing.  She might've even been a little meaner about it although it's hard to say - you seem pretty peeved for someone who is so bored.  Anyway, I told her that I snapped the photo from a safe perch on a nearby bridge with the zoom on my point and shoot.  I also reminded here that it happened while I was killing a half hour waiting to pick her up that afternoon.  She eased up a bit after that.

jer-y

about 14 years ago

I think people everywhere are just getting stupider all the time, as well as more selfish. Perhaps it's the Idiocracy effect at work. Putting them in operation of a somewhat complicated machine in a situation where they have to interact with and be courteous to others (ie. merging) is a perfect magnifying glass into just how marshmallow-brained they are. Add to that the ones driving under the distraction of talking or texting and you get a ton idiots making moronic moves which I witness every single day driving around Duluth. I love when I come to a 4-way stop with the person who was there first but won't guy because they're talking on the phone and their distracted moron brain would rather just wait for a more obvious time to go. You're really doing everyone around you a service, you imbecile. And all of you out there who think you can text and drive (and seem to think you can hide the fact that you're doing it), will you finally learn your lesson when you kill someone???

Claire

about 14 years ago

What jer-y said. I will never ever forget the time when I was driving down Third, and about to turn left onto a one-way street. But someone was coming straight at me in her car, and talking on her cell! I veered out of her way just in time, but it was close. It's not the only time I've seen morons going the wrong way down streets because they are distracted while driving. Talking or texting on a cell while driving should be outlawed.

Abby

about 14 years ago

Maybe people need a refresher on the proper etiquette of merging. Years ago, my dad rear ended a young woman driver (the worst, right?!) because she actually stopped at the bottom of the ramp. My dad, doing his job properly, thought the woman would keep driving, so he was looking back into traffic to see where he would fit into the flow. He ended up getting the ticket for some idiot's incapacity to follow the merging rules. Lack of properly educating the young drivers, mayhaps?

RandomPerson

about 14 years ago

So you were in a 70, driving 60 something, and some 'speedy' person was coming down the ramp, going... the speed limit? (like they should?) and you were felt inconvenienced / angered by this other person doing what they are supposed to be doing to the point that you wouldn't even move over, and are now upset enough to even post here about it here?

If they were driving 'speedy' why did you hit your brakes?  Are you trying to cause an accident?  Was this car length or two more like three, or four? (bad judge of distance?)

Did you know that you are SUPPOSED to change lanes for those coming down the ramp?

I'm sorry to hear "driving" is an inconvenience for you.

Please take the bus for everyone's sake.

RS

about 14 years ago

Abby I agree.  I think some sort of refresher every time you renew your license should be mandatory.  Even if it's a quick worksheet/quiz on the "little things" we all forget at one time or another, perhaps you have to pass 70% of it to even be allowed to fill out the renewal form?  I know it's wishful thinking, but we can keep hoping right?  I strive every day to be a better driver, but I would love to know what little things I'm forgetting to do too.  

Wildgoose - I hate that ramp, but it's closest to my favorite morning gas station and the quickest way for me.  However had I been the car attempting to merge and seen the half-mile of empty road behind you I would have been able to figure out how to adjust my speed to slip into that open spot nice and easily.  

Happy trails to you all, it's almost time for me to brave that vast sea of idiocy again.  Have a wonderful afternoon everyone!

Tammi

about 14 years ago

Abby, was it absolutely vital for you to point out that the other driver in your dad's collision was a young woman?  That's pretty sexist.  And obviously your dad wasn't "doing his job properly" if his distracted glances back into traffic resulted in him rear-ending someone.

PL

about 14 years ago

I always get over in the left lane when I see someone needing to get on the freeway, coming down an entrance ramp. I mean, why not? Unless there's constant cars in the left lane, of course, which never happens in Duluth since traffic is minimal here. I think it's kind of a jerk move to not give someone some room to enter the freeway.

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

Clearly, I admit that I'm bitching here, please note the tag.  And I'm not trying to say that I'm at the top of my game here, only that I was mad, and kind of scared, too.  But I also think that the "polite" thing or the "Minnesota Nice" move of switching to the left lane every time you see a car trying to merge in has gotten to be such an expectation that many people don't even think about merging from and on-ramp, they just expect the vehicles and traffic to "figure it out."  This is the exact opposite of what I learned in drivers training way back when. Perhaps some, law enforcement/driver ed/transportation lurker could clarify the law and the best practice since this has gotten a little more heated than I imagined.     

As for the assertion that you are "supposed" to change lanes or that it is polite to make room for merging traffic, I agree but only to a certain point.  Defensive driving is best for sure, but that includes the merging traffic, too.  Doesn't it?

Drew

about 14 years ago

RandomPerson's comment has me mad. Yes, it's polite to move over to the left when someone is entering the freeway and it's clear and safe to do so. But there is no legal requirement to do so. No "supposed" to.

From the State Driver's Manual, p 70-71;
http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/DLTraining/DLManual/PDF/2010ClassD/2010ClassDManual_Part6.pdf

"Entering the Freeway

Entry ramps are short, one-way roads that provide access to freeways. At the end of most entry ramps, you will find an acceleration lane that allows you to increase your speed in order to safely merge with traffic that is already on the freeway.

To avoid disrupting traffic flow or "cutting off" other drivers when you merge, try to adjust your speed to accommodate vehicles already on the freeway. You must yield to other vehicles when you are merging.

Use your turn signal to let other drivers know your intention. Watch for an opening in the nearest traffic lane and merge into the flow of traffic when you are able to do so.

Do not stop on the ramp or in the acceleration lane unless it is absolutely necessary.

When an acceleration lane is not available, and a "Yield" sign is posted on the entry ramp, obey the sign. Stop, if it is necessary. Do not force your way into the lane of traffic."

When you're on the onramp, YOU have to control your speed to get on or stop. Yes, I get over about 95% of the time, but I get really mad when the person entering doesn't look and doesn't care that there's a car immediately to my left. I do drive defensively, but learn the law or stay home.

Need

about 14 years ago

Minnesota nice, annoying as backing up traffic for miles because of a dog on the highway, and complaining about poor driving skills. Move on.

Mario Andretti

about 14 years ago

Life in a developed western democracy is so scary and fraught with risk. After that harrowing account I'm not sure I can find the courage to put the keys in the ignition this morning, knowing that this day may well be my last.

RS

about 14 years ago

@ RandomPerson - you also missed the part where the original poster mentioned there was already a car coming up in the left lane.  Sooo, should the OP have moved over and gotten rearended?  Also, those big black and white rectangular signs with letters and numbers on them?  Those are called Speed LIMIT signs, not Speed SUGGESTION signs, meaning it is technically illegal to be driving faster than that posted number.  It's not a hallpass to be doing mach 80.  SO driving "60-something" down the freeway is, in my personal book, better than driving mach 80.  I often do "60-something," setting my cruise up in the vicinity of 68-69 MPH.

Abby

about 14 years ago

Tammi, sarcasm does not translate well online (still waiting for the 'sarcasm font') I meant the "young woman driver" comment in jest as I myself am a young lady driver. It was merely a detail I added to the story, playing on the stereotype that many have against young drivers. As for my dad not doing his job properly, he was the one following the merging rules, but yes, he was the one that hit her and he should have been more attentive. Though really, who expects someone to come to a dead halt at the end of a merging ramp? I mean really.

B-man

about 14 years ago

Polite does not = safe.

People already traveling at 50-70 MPH changing lanes increases the chance of a crash, that is the logic behind making people who are just getting up to speed yield to the faster moving traffic.

If you expect people to move just because YOU are getting on the freeway, then you are a dummy.  Learn the rules and play by them, or take the bus.

I have many people "merge" into me by actively not looking and just moving into my lane.  I honk and they look as angry and shake their fist because I am following the rules and that inconveniences them.

Tammi

about 14 years ago

Abby, a thousand pardons.  I reread your comment and I totally get the sarcasm now.  Sorry I blew up.  And you're right -- coming to a halt at the bottom of a ramp is durned foolish.

RandomPerson

about 14 years ago

Ah the humor... Did I miss something, are most of these posts meant to be sarcastic? lol

It's pretty clear; the original poster is simply not a very good driver, and he doesn't want to be. (does he have to be?)

He doesn't want to drive, he wants to set the cruise control and have everyone else around him 'deal' with it.

He got scared / afraid when someone merged (a judged) 15 - 30 feet in front of him.

He is offended with the idea of 'having' to actually do something like move into a different lane, or adjust his own speed to accomodate the other drivers.

RS -- You seem to be off on a tangent about "black and white rectangular signs with letters and numbers on them" I'm surprised you didn't continue story time with the fact that they are metalic, and reflective too!  I'm happy to read you understand the meaning of these signs, and that those big numbers on said signs are legal limitations.  That's great that you know this!! :)  mach 80?  Really?  Is this slang for 80 mph?

In any case, the moral of the story is, if you don't want to follow the speed limits, rules of the road, or participate in any driving interactions (i.e. adjusting, to make room for, or moving out of a lane to share the road.) maybe you should question operating a motor vehicle on the highway in general.

Tthe OP reads that he didn't need to move over, and that the merging car was already in front of him and traveling at a faster speed. (props to this driver for performing a proper merge!)

There is a "Move over" law regarding emergency vehicles, and then there is the common sense of being polite and curtious.... and taking the bus. :)

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

Thanks Random,

I guess that's what you get for bitching on PDD.  More bitching.  I'm gonna have to file that away in the old memory.  Thanks for all the great driving tips! You're right, I wasn't upset that I almost got rammed into next week by a 2,000 pound piece of steel, I was probably just upset that I had to switch off the old cruise control. I was also a little upset that I had to pay attention to the flow of traffic and the other driver didn't (I can be so jealous and petty over trivial things like keeping my head, shoulders and limbs all in the same place).  And that picture I posted above, that's actually one I cribbed out of the text book for Traffic Safety 101, it's in the chapter under "aggressive merging for dummies." It's entitled "push down the gas pedal and pray for daylight."  I'd also love a good description of your car so I can give you and your creative interpretations of traffic laws a wide, wide berth from now on.  

Whew.  I am wound up now, folks.  Paul I think I'm gonna need a Peanuts cartoon here, too.  Where did I put that dang happy place, anyway? I'm sure it's around here somewhere ...

RandomPerson

about 14 years ago

Ultimately, you were there, and I was not, so all I can offer is conjecture based on what you posted.

In reading what you wrote, it doesn't sound to me like the other driver almost hit you.  Perhaps if he would have been speeding, this would have been a non issue?  perhaps if he was driving a "safer, slower speed" *and* wasn't paying attention - there would have been an ugly collision between you two?

I don't think I've ever had a problem merging into traffic, but then again, I'm more pro-active then re-active : I speed up or slow down to squeeze in, however I'm not sure you wouldn't be startled if I was 'squeezing in' in front of you?

May I ask what model of Toyota you drive?

If not a Toyota, my appologizes, I'm making assumptions.

RandomPerson

about 14 years ago

Did you know? : This would be that sceen if the speed limits of the freeway were 1/2 of what they are. (likely even worse due to backups)

[img]http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Intager/half_speed.jpg?t=1297544388[/img]

1/2 the speed means your on the road twice as long which means 2x the traffic.

scoe

about 14 years ago

Let's all pause for a moment and collect our thoughts while we enjoy a musical interlude by Junior Brown related to this heated debate:

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

Big ups to scoe, and the interlude from Junior Brown.  Saw him live once about ten years ago, and he played the sh!t out of that git steel, too.  Not to threadjack my own post here (although this "bitch" is clearly played out) but is "Highway Patrol" the best ode to Smokies ever?  I kinda think so.

wildgoose

about 14 years ago

Oh and Random, take a blood pressure pill and settle down.  I drive a "respect the van" Honda Odyssey, but you cut me with that one because I don't think I'll ever get over the loss of my 1991 Toyota Previa which died of natural causes after a very hard life living with first a recreational sailboat owner and then me dragging her to gigs of all sorts up and down the highways of this land.  She would have been 20 years old this year.  Mrs. Goose, the Goslings and I all simply called her "the love van."  May she rest in piece ... or make that pieces, I hear she ended up getting parted out up in Duluth township somewhere.  She's probably spread her love far and wide by now.

ruby2sd4y

about 14 years ago

tl:dr all this blather.

ugh. 

Don't even get me started on Duluth drivers and their total lack of knowledge/use of proper driving rules and etiquette. 

I'll take Twin Cities driving any day.

Back to reading the happiness book from the other post...

zra

about 14 years ago

Chicago drivers.

llinmpls

about 14 years ago

Why don't you quit driving like you are from Minnesota and get out of the merge lane? If you think it's better in the Mpls/St. Paul area, then you really don't know how to drive.

Al

about 13 years ago

If there was a half mile of open lane behind you - why didn't you just move over?  Merging drivers are supposed to attempt to merge at highway speed. It's  called a FREE-way, not a ME-way

zra

about 13 years ago

It took Al eight months to come up with that zinger! Me way ... that's a real knee slapper!

Tom

about 13 years ago

Not only did it take him 8 months to come up with that, but he also missed the whole part where wildgoose said, "I thought about changing lanes but there was a car coming up in the left lane."

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