Charred Layer of Mystery Sediment

Last summer I was digging post holes in my yard near 47th Avenue East and Superior Street and was finding, about a foot down, a two-inch band of mysterious ashen charcoal material everywhere I dug.

I doubt many geologists are trolling on PDD, but I wondered if this could’ve been from the great fire of 1918, or if anyone else has discovered a similar oddity? It must take longer than 90 years to accrue over twelve inches of clay.

There was a documentary on the fire recently which mentioned the local neighborhoods affected, mostly to the west. Prehistoric shoreline fire? Site of ancient burning ritual? I guess it would be interesting to know if anyone has evidence of the fire near their dwelling anyway.

20 Comments

dbb

about 14 years ago

A guess could be that the original owner of the house just threw the coal ash from the furnace out into the yard. 

Many of the older (say pre 1940 or so) still have coal chutes on the basement walls for getting coal into the basement easily, where the coal-fired furnace or boiler was located. 

The 12" of overlying clay could have been fill brought in at a later date.

BryGuy

about 14 years ago

As a trolling geologist, but one with embarassingly little knowledge of the local geology (haven't lived here long enough), I second dbb's comment.  If it is in fact ash, it is likely from a furnace/fireplace or could even have possibly been a landfil site prior to the home being built which would have potentially acquired lots of ash.  I wouldn't be surprised if local railroads gave the cinders from coal fired steam locomotives away to homeowners as fill material.  The overlying material could also be fill.  

Of course, without actually seeing the stuff this is all just wild speculation.

Herzog

about 14 years ago

Makes sense, it's just in such an evenly distributed layer throughout the whole yard.

SlingFade

about 14 years ago

This sediment layer may or may not be the same one, but:

Did a comet zap the woolly mammoths?

bluenewt

about 14 years ago

Back when coal was commonly used to heat homes, typically people produced more coal waste than garbage. I got to see a cool historical text recently showing the amount of garbage hauled from homes and the amount of coal ash hauled away. Coal won.

zra

about 14 years ago

Perhaps we can ask the mammoth when the Japanese finally clone one.

Tony D.

about 14 years ago

The 1918 Fire reached the east: The original Northland Country Club  clubhouse was lost in the fire.

Not that it means your charcoal layer has anything to do with that.

Herzog

about 14 years ago

When I bought the place, I had shell shock when I saw what the lady had been paying for heat, it didn't seem possible.  Then I went in the basement and realized a mammoth could've walked through the gaping coal shoot hole, it was unbelievable how little much was done to remedy this, just pay the bill instead. With a river and breeze running though the basement.  So the next summer, I dug the whole back side of the house up and threw everything I had at the wall to seal it, and drain water away.  It still leaks. It's shocking how some folks roll. Like the cat people.

Andy Breckenridge

about 14 years ago

I'd be happy to come over and take a look when things thaw.

The fact that this is only 12" deep and in the city suggests to me this is not a natural charcoal deposit (more likely something someone buried.)

However, there are so few radiocarbon dates on the ancient glacial lake clays and shorelines  around here, I'll give any prospect a look.

I can be reached via email. I'm in the Natural Sciences Department at UW-Superior.

-Andy Breckenridge (geologist)

Griz

about 14 years ago

I've got science for any occasion
Postulating theorems formulating equations
Cheech wizard in a snow blizzard
Eating chicken gizzards with a girl named Lizzy
Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange

bluenewt

about 14 years ago

Andy, if you figure it out, will you let us know?

Andy Breckenridge

about 14 years ago

I can post if it comes to anything - but it's probably fill as some suggested. 

If it's not fill, there should be a nice soil profile. I'd expect a darker horizon close to the surface, and the clay should have a blocky texture.

.........

No (natural) sediment is acruing in Lakeside, but soil has formed on the 10500+ yr old lake clay. Dead plants are added to the top, and water and oxygen leaches down and interacts with the sediment. 

If this is dumped coal - someone covered the charcoal - which makes sense.

hunter

about 14 years ago

Cat lady scare me

johnm

about 14 years ago

Tony D is likely correct if the house was along east burn area.  Are you in the lower Lakeside neighborhood?  Further, having assessed historic burn areas associated with old farm sites up closer to UMD from an environmental due diligence perspective, we've encountered many sites with elevated heavy metals and other not-so-good contaminants that should not be exposed to the kids.  Did you find anything suggestive of burning? (i.e. cans, bottles, rusty bolts, etc.?).  Have also worked on sites where foundry sands and ash were imported that were orders of magnitude more nasty.  Don't get freaked out, but don't be too casual either.

johnm

about 14 years ago

Oops...clearly you are in lower Lakeside..How'd I miss that?  I remember riding the North Shore Scenic Train and the interpreter / host talked about the fire while we were rolling through that neighborhood.  Guess the info may be found at the depot.

Herzog

about 14 years ago

No, its mostly clean cut charcoal like ash.  But the d-bag who lived here before buried some nasty shit near the garage, which was quite an eye opener when I dredged it.  Andy, Ill get ahold of you in the spring, much appreciated.  I shant underestimate folk's interest in science from now on!

SlapShot

about 14 years ago

Isn't there a layer of sediment similar to this that covers the majority of the United States from the last Yellowstone eruption?  Or does my memory fail me.

Frank C

about 14 years ago

I live on 47th and Cooke and ran into the same thing in my backyard when digging piers for my sauna. A lot of coal and coal ash as well as lots of small bottles. I assumed that I was digging in the old backyard dump. House was built in 1891.

Julie

about 14 years ago

Old outhouses frequently have a layer of ash, under which you will find old bottles, etc.

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