Hey, wait, I wasn’t paying attention and now I’m upset and want everyone to go over the whole thing again from the beginning

So, remember a few weeks ago when I tried to spit out as much information as I could about the planned development in Riverside because apparently local news organizations didn’t think it was particularly controversial and had no interest in reporting on it until after the Duluth City Council voted?

Refresher course:
River Walk West development seeks city land on trail in Riverside neighborhood

The city council voted to sell the land to the developer last month, and now people are all up in arms, so the council voted last night to reconsider the sale. I sure got a good laugh out of that one.

Of course, getting information out to the public doesn’t always help our community make up its mind. Consider the Duluth School District’s seemingly endless public meetings that resulted in a long-range facilities plan finally coming forward. Here we are — years into the plan and halfway through construction — with a meaningless, costly, non-binding referendum coming up this fall. Classic.

But rather than harp on those things, let’s look into the future at the next big issue, shall we? It’s not totally in the future, because the problem has been around for a while. Remember how it was going to be necessary to cut down old-growth trees on Park Point to make more room for the airport landing strip? That issue hasn’t been resolved or gone away. You’ll be hearing more about it soon … probably when it’ll be closer to too late to do anything about it.

Fox 21 News touched on it last week:
Sky Harbor tree resolution within 12 months?

MPR offered a more detailed account of the situation last fall:
Encroaching trees a safety concern at Duluth airport

So, all I’m saying is, if you get involved in this debate now you might not have to chain yourself to a tree later.

30 Comments

Codie

about 14 years ago

They were also going to sell the Bayfront to a developer who wanted to turn it into an outlet mall a while back, before enough citizens came together and said "No, this should be a park instead." Luckily it worked out... But if people keep thinking that all development is good development, Duluth will end up looking like Superior in a few decades (sorry 'scon-ies).

vicarious

about 14 years ago

"So, all I'm saying is, if you get involved in this debate now you might not have to chain yourself to a tree later."

...Or an airplane/hangar/runway.

TimK

about 14 years ago

I always thought that Duluth wouldn't "progress" as a community until we had some kind of dialogue about the lynching/and or that generation (the perpetrators and their audience) died off. Now I think that development (and school consolidations) won't be as contentious until the Red Plan opponents die of old age, too. Dialog doesn't always work...

The Big E

about 14 years ago

I read about that whole Park Point-trees thing in the paper a while back and it was dismaying, but only in an abstract way.  

When I went out there last spring and discovered trees festooned with ribbons to the extent that it appeared they intended to clear-cut pretty much the entire area past the airport, however, I was appalled.  

But I still haven't done anything about it--which is something I guess I should correct.

Shane

about 14 years ago

The ribbons were not marking the trees to be cut. They were a part of an inventory of the trees. 

What is the best option? Personally, I am in favor of adding more fill to the bay in order to move the runway away from the trees. The bay has been altered so much that a few extra acres of fill is better than cutting the trees.

Heather

about 14 years ago

All Riverside needs is one BIG bonfire. I lived there for five years and renamed it Sewerside. So glad I moved.

linda

about 14 years ago

And what about the 300 foot rule?  Everyone in the East Hillside basically gets a reduction in property values...other councilors got it out of their neighborhoods, but somehow no one will represent us.  And what have I done?  Nothing but complain.

hbh1

about 14 years ago

Maybe they should rule that only seaplanes can use Sky Harbor. 

Everybody else can use the real airport.

The Big E

about 14 years ago

Heh.  Well, color me stupid.

zra

about 14 years ago

@ E: that'll learn ya.

The Big E

about 14 years ago

Too true.  I can't even work up a real dudgeon without looking like a dimwit.

bluenewt

about 14 years ago

The News Tribune has a story about this today. It says there are now two options on the table, both of which call for cutting hundreds of trees.

Two city councilors want to look at the possibility of closing the airport to everyone but seaplanes, which would mean no tree cutting. But that idea faces opposition. 

I'd like to know how many people use that old growth forest, compared with how many people use the airport. I always see people hiking there, and only rarely see planes taking off.

TimK

about 14 years ago

Personally, I'd like to see the old growth stand left alone. Unfortunately, in order to receive federal funds for whatever upgrades are needed, they might have to meet certain specs which means cutting down trees -- regardless of how many people are landing planes there. If we want to save the trees, there's going to be some kind of fight because I just don't see Sky Harbor being shut down.

eco eco

about 14 years ago

It was my favorite hike in Duluth and that's saying something. Unfortunately what will matter to most people is the amount of money spent by pilots versus hikers and birdwatchers, not how many of each there are, or any value other than economic.

Shane

about 14 years ago

Anyone know why the FAA cannot make an exception for the trees and note it on the official maps and charts?

Nick

about 14 years ago

I'm amazed this was news to people.  Parks & Rec Commission approved the Riverside sale on October 14, 2009.  Riverside community was informed.

Everything was public.  We'd discussed and gathered information for months prior, sharing info with City Council.  Most present Councilors were on the Council then.

TimK

about 14 years ago

This is why Paul's thread heading was so apropos. The same thing happened with the Red Plan- tons of meetings, lots of opportunity for input, then complaining by those who didn't bother to pay attention and become involved. Meh!

vicarious

about 14 years ago

Sky Harbor has 13,000 operations (takeoffs and landings) per year. That's over 1000 per month, or more than 30 per day.

I personally had 16 operations there in one day last week. 

It's busier than most people realize. 

Jeno Palucci's 3 classic planes fly out of Sky Harbor - up to his "Outpost" in Quettico.

Shane

about 14 years ago

@Vicarious, are the trees really in the way?

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

My guess is the pilots will tell you the trees are not a concern, but the fact is that the FAA has a bug up its ass about it and that is not likely to change.

On the other side, I can't imagine Duluthians allowing a single tree cut down for this, so it seems like a classic standoff.

I realize Sky Harbor gets a lot of use, but I wonder what would happen if it closed and those flights went to Duluth Int'l and Bong. Would that not work? Are those airports too busy to handle the traffic? That seems like an important question to me. 

Brian Ryks, executive director of the Duluth Airport Authority, told the Duluth News Tribune that Sky Harbor contributes an estimated $1.4 million to the local economy each year and employs 28 people. What isn't clear is how how much of that money would disappear and how much would become new revenue for the other airports if Sky Harbor closed? And how many of those jobs would be lost vs. moved to another airport?

Having those answers will make it easier to decide whether to close Sky Harbor to non-seaplanes or spend several million dollars shifting sand around to save trees.

Personally, I'd hate to see it close, because it's a cool place for planes to take off and land. If I was a pilot, I'd love that airport. Of course, since I'm not a pilot, I love the hiking trail more.

bluenewt

about 14 years ago

@vicarious, Is there a reason those flights can't go to other airports? Some advantage Sky Harbor has?

Also, I'm wondering how many people the airport serves, if folks such as yourself account for multiple operations per day. Are there stats on that?

Jude

about 14 years ago

Hmmm, I was out on the Vista with family on Saturday and a float plane lined up to land at Sky Harbor. I was watching it--it looked a bit different--and the captain came on a bit later and said that it was a Paulucci plane, some old model (I have no wisdom about planes).  He said that when the Paulucci plane flies in they will frequently alert the captain of the Vista that they will be landing.  Money talks, perhaps that is why there will always be an airport there?

vicarious

about 14 years ago

Honestly, there is no reason land-based planes can't operate out of Bong instead of Sky Harbor...except that Bong isn't nearly as cool as Sky harbor, and there is no empty hangar space at Bong(or space to build new hangars).

As far as Duluth International, there is very little hangar space for the type of planes that operate out of Sky Harbor; what's available is VERY expensive. Only the truly rich keep their planes there. 

(On a related note, I'd like to dispel the myth that only wealthy people own and fly their own airplanes...it just isn't true.)

Sky Harbor is simply one of the most unique airports in the country, and that is reason enough (for me, anyway) to keep it open. Last Sunday my pop-in-law and I spent five hours giving rides to my wedding guests over the harbor, beach, anchored ships, and downtown. Our out-of-town guests were amazed and thrilled by the experience.

To address the tree issue: If I'm operating in Visual Flight Rules, the trees don't present a problem. Pilots are trained for obstacle take-offs and landings. There is one Instrument Approach for Sky Harbor (a GPS approach), and I suspect that might be the problem for the FAA; instrument approaches require a great deal of obstacle clearance.

If that's the case, I would suggest simply removing the GPS approach and have Sky Harbor be a Visual Flight Rules airport only. If someone needs an instrument approach, they can use Bong or DLH. 

I personally would hate to see trees cut down; I use and enjoy the trails several times per week. But I would be willing to see "a few" trees removed AND the runway re-aligned in order to save a truly valuable and unique general aviation airport.

Most people don't know this, but the United States loses dozens of general aviation airports every year. Most people also don't know how unique our "Freedom to Fly" is; in most Western (and other) countries, private flight is severely restricted and extremely expensive. It is, in fact, rare.

Danny

about 14 years ago

"(On a related note, I'd like to dispel the myth that only wealthy people own and fly their own airplanes...it just isn't true.)"

But do you know anyone who is poor who own and fly their own planes?

Nick

about 14 years ago

"Poor" people will pool their money to buy a plane.  My science teacher earned next to nothing at our Catholic high school yet managed to own a share with some other guys.  He took many of us students on flights.  It was a great way to see his physics lessons in real life.  Little airports like Sky Harbor offer pilots those kinds of opportunities.

Danny

about 14 years ago

Fair enough.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

The Duluth News Tribune is reporting today that FAA officials are saying trees in the "transition" area of the flight path at Sky Harbor may not need to be cut.

FAA considering less-invasive Sky Harbor options

So at this point the options seem to be:

* Spend $3.9 million to shift the runway away from the forest and extend it into the bay, cutting 193 trees. 

* Spend $5.6 million to shift the runway away from the forest and reorient a new runway, cutting 43 trees.

* Close the airport or come up with a new idea.

It appears cutting 700 to 800 trees is no longer a likely option. Of course, 43 trees is still a lot of trees.

chadp

about 14 years ago

I go out there often but I have no sense for the number of trees alongside the airport.  Is it 1500?  3000?  10,000?  I would need to know what these numbers mean in context in order to whip myself into a frenzy.

Lisa

about 14 years ago

As someone with over 20 years of history in the environmental community in this area and who is closely tied to the airport community (my family has had a business at Sky Harbor since 1987) I would like to make a few points:

1. Many people from all walks of life own airplanes. You sacrifice for what you love, as a previous commenter noted. Yes, rich people own airplanes (the airplanes in question - Beech 18s - and the Outpost, were sold by Paulucci a few years back) but so do some blue collar working folks as well(the majority of our customers).

2. Sky Harbor is unique in providing both float and land based operations. Folks switch back and forth seasonally (and sometimes onto skis) so it is essential to have both options available at the same airport. Hence why you cannot move all land operations to Bong or the "Big Airport."

3. The Minnesota Point ecosystem is unique. Those are some neat old (and young) trees in the pine forest. The beach plant community is special. It is a great place to hike and run and hang out (though since most of the forest in question is part of a SNA you really are not allowed to picnic or walk your dog. The DNR has a lot of rules about what can and cannot take place in an SNA, check out: http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/snas/rules.html).

It is important to look at all sides of the issue, do your research, and not just take a stand based on the rhetoric you read in the paper, hear on the news or read in someone's email. 

A lot of folks have been working long and hard on this issue for years. The FAA is, at times, pushing a hard line. But they have granted a few concessions as well in order to keep the airport operational while a solution is being worked out. 

Most pilots are aware of the "obstruction" and work around it. On the other hand, Sky Harbor has been operating for 71 years and I am sure that not all of the trees that are a problem now were in existence then (the pictures from the early years show a pretty barren area, plus there were approx. 40 or so cabins in the area way back when - the Pine Knot cabin being the last standing).

It seems that a good faith effort is being made by the DAA to work within the system and with all interested parties to come up with a compromise that meets the needs of the majority of "stake holders" (hate that term, but it seems to be the new buzz word). 

On the other hand, I have recently heard some outright misinformation from supporters of the Tree Commissions stance (which embarrasses me as an environmentalist).

The issue is not as black and white as some would have you believe. There is much room for discussion, negotiation and compromise. It is not "us vs them." 

Stay involved ... keep an eye on the process ... and remember that we live in a world where we daily make choices that impact the environment in ways that may not be as readily tangible as cutting down a tree but have just as large an impact on the ecosystem.

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