wait...how do we win? is there a website somewhere of quotes of passive indifference and universal harmony?

If I get to the Great Hereafter and this fuckhead's there, I'm walking out.

oh...i didn't realize he'd died. yes, we win. good bloody riddance. his mansion better be waaaaayyy down the golden street from my parents'.
god is love. find me one quote from this asshat even remotely loving. i do hope the decent and kind message of jesus can survive christianity.

Sorry, kids. While I agree with the general sentiment I don't think that 'outlasting' counts as 'winning'.

He WAS a good man, for all his faults. ALL his faults. Did I mention he had faults?

He'll arrive in Heaven. Try to take satisfaction in the idea that he'll be immediately admitted into the presense of Jesus where the meaning of 'tolerance' and even 'acceptance' will be re-explained to him in a way that gives no room for error.

Anyone catch Nightline last night? They reviewed his life. My question is Who wrote the piece? It was so slanted.
If I was a discriminating and bigoted person and stereotyped others, I would say that he is a mother's tit sucking piece of crap that continually perpetuates the purely racist movement of the rightwing. Don't email me - he believes I am a bleeding heart socialist due to my beliefs - so boo hoo.
But I love all my fellow humans and wish him everylasting life where ever he went.

what they won't tell you....

March 1980: Falwell tells an Anchorage rally about a conversation with President Carter at the White House. Commenting on a January breakfast meeting, Falwell claimed to have asked Carter why he had “practicing homosexuals” on the senior staff at the White House. According to Falwell, Carter replied, “Well, I am president of all the American people, and I believe I should represent everyone.” When others who attended the White House event insisted that the exchange never happened, Falwell responded that his account “was not intended to be a verbatim report,” but rather an “honest portrayal” of Carter’s position.

August 1980: After Southern Baptist Convention President Bailey Smith tells a Dallas Religious Right gathering that “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,” Falwell gives a similar view. “I do not believe,” he told reporters, “that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew.” After a meeting with an American Jewish Committee rabbi, he changed course, telling an interviewer on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that “God hears the prayers of all persons…. God hears everything.”

July 1984: Falwell is forced to pay gay activist Jerry Sloan $5,000 after losing a court battle. During a TV debate in Sacramento, Falwell denied calling the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Churches “brute beasts” and “a vile and Satanic system” that will “one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven.” When Sloan insisted he had a tape, Falwell promised $5,000 if he could produce it. Sloan did so, Falwell refused to pay and Sloan successfully sued. Falwell appealed, with his attorney charging that the Jewish judge in the case was prejudiced. He lost again and was forced to pay an additional $2,875 in sanctions and court fees.

October 1987: The Federal Election Commission fines Falwell for transferring $6.7 million in funds intended for his ministry to political committees.

February 1988: The U.S. Supreme Court strikes down a $200,000 jury award to Falwell for “emotional distress” he suffered because of a Hustler magazine parody. Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, usually a Falwell favorite, wrote the unanimous opinion in Hustler v. Falwell, ruling that the First Amendment protects free speech.

February 1993: The Internal Revenue Service determines that funds from Falwell’s Old Time Gospel Hour program were illegally funneled to a political action committee. The IRS forced Falwell to pay $50,000 and retroactively revoked the Old Time Gospel Hour’s tax-exempt status for 1986-87.

March 1993: Despite his promise to Jewish groups to stop referring to America as a “Christian nation,” Falwell gives a sermon saying, “We must never allow our children to forget that this is a Christian nation. We must take back what is rightfully ours.”

1994-1995: Falwell is criticized for using his “Old Time Gospel Hour” to hawk a scurrilous video called “The Clinton Chronicles” that makes a number of unsubstantiated charges against President Bill Clinton — among them that he is a drug addict and that he arranged the murders of political enemies in Arkansas. Despite claims he had no ties to the project, evidence surfaced that Falwell helped bankroll the venture with $200,000 paid to a group called Citizens for Honest Government (CHG). CHG’s Pat Matrisciana later admitted that Falwell and he staged an infomercial interview promoting the video in which a silhouetted reporter said his life was in danger for investigating Clinton. (Matrisciana himself posed as the reporter.) “That was Jerry’s idea to do that,” Matrisciana recalled. “He thought that would be dramatic.”

November 1997: Falwell accepts $3.5 million from a front group representing controversial Korean evangelist Sun Myung Moon to ease Liberty University’s financial woes.

April 1998: Confronted on national television with a controversial quote from America Can Be Saved!, a published collection of his sermons, Falwell denies having written the book or had anything to do with it. In the 1979 work, Falwell wrote, “I hope to live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!” Despite Falwell’s denial, Sword of the Lord Publishing, which produced the book, confirms that Falwell wrote it.

January 1999: Falwell tells a pastors’ conference in Kingsport, Tenn., that the Antichrist prophesied in the Bible is alive today and “of course he’ll be Jewish.”

February 1999: Falwell becomes the object of nationwide ridicule after his National Liberty Journal newspaper issues a “parents alert” warning that Tinky Winky, a character on the popular PBS children’s show “Teletubbies,” might be gay.

September 2001: Falwell blames Americans for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. “The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen.’”

November 2005: Falwell spearheads campaign to resist “war on Christmas.”

February 2007: Falwell describes global warming as a conspiracy orchestrated by Satan, liberals, and The Weather Channel.

good man my ass.

if it weren't illegal, Falwell and his ultra self righteous ilk would be having mass burnings at the stake for heresy, blasphemy, and witchcraft.

no, i'm sorry, i'm content to let people live according to their own beliefs...who am i to judge right from wrong?

Falwell and his followers genuinely believe that they are meant to rule over everyone and everything on earth, and that slaughtering anyone that doesn't believe or refuses to convert is an okay thing to do.

to repeat...if i get to heaven and he's there...i'm gonna have to find another party.

"outlasting" does equal "winning" in this case because, if he was right, he wasted his life on hatred and self-righteousness and truly using the lord's name in vain, and will spend eternity in hell gnashing his teeth and such. but, if he was wrong, he wasted his life on hatred and self-righteousness and truly using the lord's name in vain, and he will spend eternity in the ground.
point is: there was no reasoning with this man in life. now in death he knows the truth, whatever that may be. the heaven he ostensibly believed in has no place for a man like him. ironic? yes. sad? indeed.

Honestly, for most celeb deaths I can muster a little sympathy, even Tammy Faye, who is slowly kicking the bucket earns a little nod of acknowledgement as a fellow flawed human being, but in the end there are only three words that need to be said here.

Fuck Jerry Falwell

I'd rather be in hell with Ghandi than in heaven with Hitler.

"i like your christ. i do not like your christians. your christians are so unlike your christ."
--ghandi

if this statement doesn't sum up falwell, none ever will.

Would it be wrong to run around singing " Ding Dong, The Witch Is Dead"??

As Edgeways said- Fuck Jerry Falwell.

i don't think so. sing away.

(thank you, c-freak.)

i mean, if you're going to say he's a "good man"--you ought to at least have evidence. give me one good and decent thing the man ever did. (not that it would cancel out his long list of evil behavior, but hey... just ONE.)

The Rev. Falwell was a good moral man. His Christian teachings were never popular. He hated the idea of killing unborn kids. I don't think it is very nice to celebrate over the death of anybody.

There is no celebrating one mans passing, it is more of a 'RELIEF' that this one man's voice of hate is now quiet. Much the same way i will be 'relieved' when we give Texas back to Mexico.

Oh no you don't. I am not sure if Poof is intentionally trying to rile up people or is sincere, but the depressing fact is His "Christian" teachings were VERY popular. And that is part of the problem.
You can NOT play the victim card with Falwell, doing so is disingenuous and sloppy thinking.
The "killing unborn kids" is a matter of debate. Many many people would argue a cluster of cells in early to mid pregnancy =! a "kid", and there are exceedingly few people who would advocate for 3rd trimester abortions where is is obvious the kid is a kid. Hell, there is very scant biblical text addressing the issue, so if this is the best you can come up with I can just as easily create a whole church dedicated towards the hatred of shellfish eaters and be as biblically legitimate, seriously.
Whatever... Falwell's love of cell clusters certainly didn't expand to non white/Christian/"straight"/male/(American)conservatives

his love was the inquisition love, he'd have made a great Pope Paul III.

I'm not celebrating his death, I'm mocking his beliefs and life.

So fuck Jerry Falwell.

As a minister of the gospel who has had a career in marked opposition to the exclusivist, hateful theology of Jerry Falwell and cohorts I cannot celebrate his passing, but mourn a life mispent which has been so destructive.

Jesus said one could judge a tree by the fruit it bears and Falwell bore a bitter crop.

May he find more peace beyond than he left in his passing.

I'm celebrating the fact that we won't hear any more racist, homophobic, sexist, biased crap from that asshole anymore.

I think Ironic hit the nail on the head.

Name that quote: Hitler or Falwell?
http://nom-de-grr.livejournal.com/51142.html

Not so much to comment on Falwell, but to comment on the abortion side of things, or to question: When does a human life become valuable? Wouldn't some people reading this argue that Hitler, or Falwell, or GW should have been aborted, even in the third trimester, because of the harm they caused? What about the third trimester abortions for baby defects? Is a defective baby a valuable life? Is a defective or differently-abled adult a valuable life? Is a rapist-pedophile a valuable life?

Partly because I've been pregnant unexpectedly (twice), and carried to term, and partly because I'm no longer comfortable swallowing party line, I find myself questioning the argument that a "mass of cells" is not a valuable human life; it will be, unless I destroy it. And the argument that a baby is a valuable human life once its existence is viable outside the mother falls short, because no newborn baby can live without absolute 100% support, even to term, outside the mother. Even my 2-year-old couldn't live without my support, so is she not a valuable human life?

This is a question, because I'm not a fan of governmental control, and I do believe that each person is responsible for their own choices. I also believe, however, that there is so much hype to pick a side, that a person is not given the opportunity to thoughtfully, logically consider the issue.

The question is whether fetuses are equivalent to humans and have all the same rights. Children don't have all the same rights as adults and so can a blastocyst expect equal legal footing?

Here's the test: A fertility clinic is burning to the ground. You can rescue either a.) a petri dish with 2 blastocysts, or b.) a 2-year old child. Which do you choose?

I submit that no one in their right mind would rescue the petri dish with its 2 'unborn'. Only a monster would leave the child to die.

Therefore fetuses do not = babies.

Reduce unwanted pregnancies as far as possible. Keep abortion safe and legal. It's the compromise position.

That's my favorite position.

Sorry. COuldn't help it.

Professor, I don't agree that the question is about rights. Rights are granted based on a value judgement -- prisoners of war, however heinous their actions, are guaranteed certain rights by the Geneva Convention because those prisoners are given value based on their status as humans, not because they are a certain age or have accomplished a certain achievement, like being personally known by me and so a part of my "heart" and, therefore valuable.

But, to pose your fertility clinic question another way, petri dish and baby kitten. Which do you save, and why?

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You use the petri dish to put out the fire. Duh. Kitties don't turn into troglodytes who watch Teletubbies or listen to Jerry Falwell.

or technically

You should never run into a building that is on fire. Go to a neighbor's house and call 911 immediately, then go to your family's designated "safe spot."

That's my favorite spot.

Oh, gawd. Enough.

i think we've finally found the forum to settle this abortion thing once and for all.

PDD!

oh, and, don't bring up the geneva convention to make a point. we don't even grant the basic right of habeas corpus to our prisoners of war. it's okay though. they're already born.

This cell cluster (me), is thankful for this dialog even though I don't agree with everyone.

when do we celebrate our birthdays? when do we become citizens?

In other words, is an unborn fetus a citizen of any country? Does anyone celebrate the day a fetus is conceived?

Somewhere between 15 to 20% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage in the first trimester. We don't use language saying 800,000 babies a year in the US are killed by the mother's body. Frankly, in those first months of becoming a human things are not certain, to the degree that 1 in 2 (on the low end) potential humans are rejected for being incomplete, too damaged.
So, if I ran into a fertility clinic and had the choice between a living creature, human, kitten or whatever, and a whole freezer full of cell clusters, I gotta say I'd opt for the ice cream sandwich, no, wait, I mean the living creature.

Finding that line between human and not is tricky, but either end of it is absurd (imo), calling a 8 week growth human, or refusing to call a 32 week old fetus human.

Better/cheaper birth control, better sex education.

grrr sorry that 1 in 2 is suppose to be 1 in 5

the aborting birth defect fetuses is a sticky subject. i'm a big ol dyke. in the past and present there have been many arguments that being a homo is a birth defect. how sad that i may have been aborted and not in this world to feel up hbh.

Argue fetus vs. living being all you want, but the real threat in the argument is the taking away of a woman's right to choose what happens with and to her body.

Should the pro-life activists win, and abortion be made illegal, a powerful blow against equal rights for women will be made.

I don't see anyone out there protesting against the use of spermicide in condoms. Or against vasectomies. But these things are also pro-choice, if you'll allow for a broader view of the term.

Why not protest these?

Because they're male-orientated, that's why, and men certainly know what they're doing with their own bodies, unlike women, who are the weaker sex, remember? (said with heavy sarcasm...)

So, in the arguments about a group of cells being a living being or just a group of cells, let's remember the whole issue here.

Ah, but birth control is, at least theoretically, at odds with Catholicism. So, I would have very little trouble imagining if the right to choice for women is ever revoked then the "battle" would then refocus on condoms and other forms of birth control.
♪♪♪ every sperm is sacred ♪♪♪

All this talk is making me want to have sex! Thanks Jerry Falwell!

Save the kitten because it feels more pain.

AND if my mom had wanted to abort me because she couldn't care for me properly, or because she was raped or whatever, I would have petitioned for an audience with God and asked that abortion be made legal. The argument that "I deserve to be born just because I was concieved" is not ethically bulletproof at all. It gives the rapist a sick advantage - surely God understands that...?